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  Fr. Price's Website and Parish

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  http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

  hello, my name is fr.

  joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

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  BlackSwan of Memphis

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  what makes a cult a cult?

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  inspired by recent events here on jwd.

  what makes a cult a cult and whose definition matters most?.

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  BlackSwan of Memphis

  What are we talking about when we say cult. It seems, like any other subject, the two people communicating with one another have to come to terms on the subject before they can talk about it. Otherwise, each person will be imagining something different when they say "cult."

  Exactly.

  What exactly can we come to terms on? What can we agree on? So far control seems to be a big issue, but as Emo pointed out that can come from two sources.

  Further, if control is the biggest issue, we can find controlling situations all over the place.

  Steve Hassan's link has been offered up, now I've read from other sources (don't ask me where it's been a while) that he is not the most reliable.

  Also, what is Lifton's 8 criteria?

  (making dinner otherwise I'd google)
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  Fr. Price's Website and Parish

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

  hello, my name is fr.

  joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

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  BlackSwan of Memphis

  Hey you aged a couple of years.
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  Fr. Price's Website and Parish

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

  hello, my name is fr.

  joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

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  BlackSwan of Memphis

  yeah apparently he's a ghost from jwd past.

  Like Eclipse said, don't let him get to you.
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  what makes a cult a cult?

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  inspired by recent events here on jwd.

  what makes a cult a cult and whose definition matters most?.

  from a google search:.

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  BlackSwan of Memphis

  btt

  Let me rephrase this.

  What do you believe makes a cult a cult?
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  Fr. Price's Website and Parish

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

  hello, my name is fr.

  joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

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  BlackSwan of Memphis

  Look, it's pretty basic, if he relies on anyone other than himself for his own guidance, he is in a cult.

  If he relies on anyone other than himself.......for his own guidance....he is in a cult.......

  are you serious?

  It is a fact: He's in a cult, and that's that. All religions are cults.

  Ok. Well you are certainly entitled to your own opinion. Right? Right. Glad we have that settled.

  Emo, thanks. I've been thinking about you since the other day. Wondering how you are doing.

  The set-up looks pretty much like the Anglican church - there are what I call 'ultra-catholic' (bells and smells!) congregations through to very liberal ones.

  That is what I was thinking.

  There doesn't appear at first glance to be much of the rigid dogmatism of the Roman Catholic church, most likely because their key 'fallout' is their refusal to accept Papal infallibility.

  Exactly.
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  what makes a cult a cult?

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

  1. jw
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  inspired by recent events here on jwd.

  what makes a cult a cult and whose definition matters most?.

  from a google search:.

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  BlackSwan of Memphis

  Inspired by recent events here on jwd

  What makes a cult a cult and whose definition matters most?

  From a google search:

  Definitions of cult on the Web:

  • adherents of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
  • fad: an interest followed with exaggerated zeal; "he always follows the latest fads"; "it was all the rage that season"
  • a system of religious beliefs and rituals; "devoted to the cultus of the Blessed Virgin"
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
  • In religion and sociology, a cult is a group of people (often a new religious movement) devoted to beliefs and goals which may be contradictory to those held by the majority of society. Its marginal status may come about either due to its novel belief system or due to idiosyncratic practices that cause the surrounding culture to regard it as far outside the mainstream.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult
  • In traditional usage, the cult of a religion, quite apart from its sacred writings ("scriptures"), its theology or myths, or the personal faith of its believers, is the totality of external religious practice and observance, the neglect of which is the definition of impiety. Cult is literally the "care" owed to the god and the shrine. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_(religion)
  • A religious group that follows a particular theological system. In the context of Christianity, and in particular, CARM, it is a group that uses the Bible but distorts the doctrines that affect salvation sufficiently to cause salvation to be unattainable. A few examples of cults are Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, Christadelphians, Unity, Religious Science, The Way International, and the Moonies. (See also Cults)
    www.carm.org/dictionary/dic_c-d.htm
  • (cult) (kult) a system of treating disease based on some special and unscientific theory of disease causation.
    www.merckmedicus.com/pp/us/hcp/thcp_dorlands_content.jsp
  • Veneration ( or honoring ) of a saint expressed in public acts, local or universal, and formally approved by the Pope.
    www.ichrusa.com/saintsalive/glossary.htm
  • A religious group which denies the essential doctrines of Christianity. The term is usually reserved for groups founded after 1750.
    www.dtl.org/trinity/misc/glossary.htm
  • A following of people.
    www.britishcouncil.org/ukinfocus-music-glossary.htm
  • (noun) often attributive [French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL]; First appeared 1617 1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP 2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents 3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents 4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health ~s> 5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object ...
    www.contecult.com/glossary.htm
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  Fr. Price's Website and Parish

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

  hello, my name is fr.

  joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

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  BlackSwan of Memphis

  Hey Matt and F2T, ok the thing is this....

  For the sake of argument, let's say you are right (which is a whole other thread in itself perhaps) even then it still makes sense to know who you're dealing with. And if people are talking to him (or anyone else for that matter) it just makes sense to Know what the guy actually believes and teaches.

  As for whether or not this religion is a cult, I know that Nvr started an interesting thread a few days ago that would probably shed some light for me on the matter of religion period. At this point where I'm at, I'm not prepared to say he's stuck in another cult. That doesn't mean I think I'm right and you're wrong, only that I don't have enough information to say you are right.
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  Fr. Price's Website and Parish

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  http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

  hello, my name is fr.

  joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

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  BlackSwan of Memphis

  Now that's a good catch Moshe:

  cath·o·lic (kath'?-lik, kath'lik)
  adj.

  1. Of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive: “The 100-odd pages of formulas and constants are surely the most catholic to be found” (Scientific American).
  2. Including or concerning all humankind; universal: “what was of catholic rather than national interest” (J.A. Froude).
  3. Catholic
  4. Of or involving the Roman Catholic Church.
  5. Of or relating to the universal Christian church.
  6. Of or relating to the ancient undivided Christian church.
  7. Of or relating to those churches that have claimed to be representatives of the ancient undivided church.

  n. Catholic

  A member of a Catholic church, especially a Roman Catholic.

  [Middle English catholik , universally accepted, from Old French catholique , from Latin catholicus , universal, from Greek katholikos , from katholou , in general : kat-, kata- , down, along, according to; see cata– + holou (from neuter genitive of holos, whole).]

  catholically ca·thol'i·cal·ly (k?-thol'ik-le) adv.
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  Fr. Price's Website and Parish

  by BlackSwan of Memphis in

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  http://www.exjwsupport.com/.

  hello, my name is fr.

  joseph price, i am a priest in the old catholic church of north america, i grew up a jw, was heavily involved in the organization until i removed my self after 17 years.

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  BlackSwan of Memphis

  Sparkplug, I think sometimes certain things just get a little lost in a thread.. And I think others caught on before me (nvr is one), I just made a thread out of it

  Edited to add: The thing that caught my attention was their stand on sexuality and birth control are completely different than the Roman Church.